Ma Yun and elon musk talk at the scene. (Li Wenliang/photo)
Cctv news(Reporter Liu Chunyan, Li Wenliang) On August 29th, at the 2019 World Artificial Intelligence Conference with the theme of "Smart World, Unlimited Possibilities", Ma Yun, co-chairman of the United Nations High-level Group on Digital Cooperation, and elon musk, co-founder and CEO of Tesla Company, had a strong dialogue for 45 minutes around the development direction of artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence and employment, education and life.
Topic 1: Where will artificial intelligence go in the next 100 years?
Regarding the future of AI, Ma Yun said: "It is very difficult to predict the future today, especially difficult." I am not a high-tech person, but a person who talks about life. He feels that AI can open a new chapter for the whole world and the whole society, so that everyone can better understand themselves instead of fully understanding the outside world.
Many people are worried about artificial intelligence, but Ma Yun is optimistic. He doesn’t think AI is a threat and thinks that human beings need to have more confidence. "Many problems today have no solutions, and there will be in the future."
"Human civilization has a history of 7,000 years. From the perspective of civilization, the ups and downs are very severe. I am not a natural optimist or pessimist, but the future development of science and technology will surpass our ability to understand it. I don’t know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. " Musk said that most people underestimate the ability of artificial intelligence, and they think it may be like a smart person. In fact, artificial intelligence may be smarter than the smartest people.
Topic 2: What new jobs will artificial intelligence create?
Ma Yun believes that people are worried about every technological innovation. In the past 100 years, they have been worried that new technologies will take away employment opportunities, but in fact they have created many employment opportunities.
In the next 20 years, human life will be longer. Ma Yun said that there is no need to worry too much about work. "First of all, we will have a lot of work; Secondly, we won’t need a lot of work; The third interesting point is that the average life expectancy in the agricultural era is about 30 or 35 years old. After the technological revolution in the industrial era, people can live to 70 years old. In the artificial intelligence era, people may live to 100 years. We have no way to predict the future, but we should be prepared. " Ma Yun said.
Musk believes that the development of artificial intelligence will make the work meaningless in the future. Perhaps the last job is to write AI software, and even AI itself can write software. Therefore, it is recommended that you study engineering, physics or do some work that interacts with people.
Topic 3: What knowledge or skills will be more advantageous in the future?
Ma Yun believes that there will be no artificial intelligence professionals in the future. People often worry about work, while he is worried about education. All the education systems teach children things and the teaching methods are mainly designed for the industrial age. Ma Yun believes that machines will be smarter and will be much smarter than people in the future. He said, how can people do better and become smarter and smarter? It should be to change the way of education and the content of teaching. "In the past, we focused on memory, but computers can remember better and calculate faster than you. You want to run faster, but machines can run faster than you. Therefore, human beings should be more creative and constructive. How to teach children to be more creative and constructive is the key to education. "
Musk believes that we should learn as much as possible so that we can better predict and create the future. The best way to predict the future is to create it. He said: "We should evaluate what we are learning, whether we can predict the future and reduce mistakes. We can think about education in this way."
Topic 4: Can artificial intelligence help realize environmental sustainable development?
Musk believes that China is a leader in environmental sustainable development, and its achievements are amazing. Human beings can solve the problem of environmental sustainable development, but it is not easy. We must take a lot of actions and keep it going.
At this point, Ma Yun believes that artificial intelligence can completely help us achieve environmental sustainability. Because when people know themselves better, they will become wiser and smarter.
"People like technology very much and have illusions about technology. I think technology should coexist with dreams. It is not technology that changes our world, but the dreams behind it really change our world." Ma Yun hopes that eventually people can use technology to create a better life.